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I. F. Stone. Ralph Nader. The Dixie Chicks. Noam Chomsky. Chris Hedges. Guy McPherson. The play dramatizing the life and sacrifice of the life of Rachel Corrie. All ‘cancelled’ in some way. Hell, Eugene V. Debs. Anyone who refuses to go along with the ‘Putin is the antichrist/ Hitler narrative. Anyone who refused to go along with the ‘Saddam is the Antichrist/ Hitler narrative. Phil Donahue. I need to stop. The Hollywood Ten. This has been going on for a long, long time. Ward Churchill. STOP IT NOW, Andrew. What is going on is really bad. But it ain’t like it is new in any way at all. Freedom of expression in our one-time incipient Republic was never more than theoretical for anyone who actually needed it to be actual- those espousing unpopular views or giving voice to facts that the powerful wanted buried. Now that the Empire has buried the never-realized Republic, it is going to disappear altogether, and pretty soon. This latest episode is pretty unremarkable in context.

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Yes we have the “Antichrist of the month club” in the US. It’s been Sadaam Hussein, Assad, Khaddafi, Trunp, Putin, Musk, Roger Waters, etc

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Sadly , and ominously, I must concur Andrew.

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It's certainly not new, but it is reaching a fever pitch not seen in quite some time, and since we now 'discuss' a wider range of issues, it's everywhere. On top of that, US Empire's efforts to follow capitalism's #1 law - Expand or Die - have never been so desperate and unsuccessful. Finally, there's the double whammy of climate change and the whole 'finite planet with finite non-replenishable resources on which industrial civilization itself, depends. 'Soon' it will collapse, at which point none of the 'petty politics' will matter at all.

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Hate to break up a good doomscroll, but the stuff about capitalism having hard limits or that we'll run into some Soylent green situation or peak oil is pretty much impossible.

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“Hate to break up a good doomscroll”. Thats very funny. It’s something that wouldn’t have meant anything 20 years (or so) ago. But it’s so true.

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Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, how you plan to have us replenish the resources industrial civilization NEEDS to function, and I will happily, joyously embrace your vision of the future.

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To summarize,

Every time there is scarcity a hundred or a thousand or ten thousand human minds are thrown at the problem of how to solve it. If the scarcity increases, more minds are thrown at it. A hundred or a thousand solutions are tried. Most fail. Eventually one succeeds. This has happened over and over again. Physical sciences are predicated on what happens in nature to beings who do not possess agency or creativity. Economics is used to dealing with beings who have both. Physical-science based disciplines have new technological development as exogenous to their models and thus whenever these predictions fail one gets the sense that the authors think new processes or whatever are 'cheating' or 'random'. But they aren't random. As a given resource becomes more scarce more money and more minds are thrown at alternatives. Wikipedia used to have a section on *why* Ehrlich lost the Simon-Ehrlich bet. Copper was one of the items he chose and during the debating Simon claimed that if all available copper was mind more copper, 'or it's economic equivalent', would be simply produced. Ehrlich and his crew made much of this, asking if alchemy was going to somehow make more copper, but in the 10 years of the bet, both PVC pipe and fiber-optics were brought to the market, both substitutes for copper in copper-intensive industries. The biggest impact was some process that let refiners use copper oxide, which before that was called 'dirt'. Anyhoo the point is that I cannot tell you exactly what course human creativity will follow to fix any one particular scarcity. But I do know from the science of economics that some way will be found to make more of whatever scarce resource it is, or a way will be found to reduce the demand of whatever that scarce resource.

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Ever hear of the Simon-Ehrlich Bet? This grew out of a series of academic arguments between Ehrlich's neo-Malthusians and Simon's Cornucopians. The Cornucopians won and by a landslide. The only shortage on earth is human minds.

https://www.wired.com/1997/02/the-doomslayer-2/

I'd be happy to go into details. I did a short piece on /r/askhistorians on Reddit before I got banned.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/10fd3t/historically_have_we_ever_hit_a_peak_oil_like/

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I will read it later today. Thanks for forwarding

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First, sorry you were banned, but you have now joined the growing list of martyrs for the cause of free speech. As for the specifics above, I think we're talking apples and oranges. My thoughts are my interpretation of Daniel Quinn and Jean Liedloff, especially her 'The Continuum Concept.'

Or maybe it's not apples and oranges. Maybe your faith in the never-ending invention of 'new' resources to replace 'depleted' ones is not as 'blind' as it seems to me. But to me 'finite' means finite, so what you're talking about is, at best, mitigation, in which I am totally in favor. In fact, I had a website called 'Climate Mitigation News,' where I posted information about all sorts of mitigation strategies and practices. The now-defunct website's FB page is still up and running, and many groups post stuff there all the time.

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Thanks for the commiseration, but frankly I was beginning to wonder what was wrong with me that I hadn’t been banned in 15 years on Reddit. They have so many mods there where ‘not being a shitlib’ is grounds for banning.

So I haven’t read the Continuum Concept, but it has familiar sentiments. I’d go as far as to say that the ‘back to being hunter gatherers’ belief isn’t totally crazy - 99% of human history was in being hunter gatherers and it’s a lifestyle we’re literally bred to be happiest in. Moreover, all during that time there was no scarcity. There weren’t enough humans on the planet to need more land than they could hunt and cultivate. But the snake in the garden was human fertility. For 130,000 years humans always had new lands to colonize. But eventually, all of the lands were full and scarcity became a thing. People didn’t start farming because they thought it would be a good idea. They started farming because there were more people to feed than the land could support. Romanticizing the past has a long history in western thought, going back even before Rousseau’s noble savages. But the fundamental point was that hunting and gathering for a living died not because people thought it was fun to work more hours and have a less varied diet, but because the alternative by that time was starvation. Now, of course, the price for everyone returning to hunting and gathering would be the literal deaths of hundreds of millions of people. It takes 10-100 times more land to support one hunter gatherer than it does a farmer. And so IMO it is an intellectual playground of the obscenely wealthy by global standards. If everyone were to buy land and live the old school lifestyle, what are you going to do with the people left over?

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I must regretfully admit that I was one who personally cancelled the Dixie Chicks, Sean Penn, Jane Fonda, and Johnny Depo. My husband has personally cancelled Budweiser. I do question whether it was actually cancellation? My choice to not support the Dixie Chicks was only because I grew tired of celebrities who extracted millions from an adoring American public only to disparage “America” while in other countries. I am intelligent enough to know they meant the American government, but not all would understand that. I am patriotic to the idea of what America should be, not a shill for a rogue government that resembles nothing that our FF’s intended it to be. People like me were their fan base. They should have known better. In Jordan Peterson’s book “12 Rules for Life” The Chapter titled Be Precise in Your Speech, the reasons for being responsible for saying what you mean in no uncertain terms Is clearly defined. Being ambiguous or deliberately vague is part of the reason we are where we are as a society today.

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Mimi,

This is interesting. What methods did you use to cancel them?

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I just stopped interacting with their content. Didn’t listen to, watch, or buy their music, movies, or interviews. As for my husband and Budweiser, he still doesn’t buy their product. He’ll drink it if it’s the only thing offered, at parties and such, but he won’t buy it.

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Soon we will drown in the floods of cancellations and censorship, including in self-imposed silence. As for me, as an irrelevant old White male, I plan to go down swinging, gently of course.

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Nobody is irrelevant in this world. You’re here, you’re participating in the world.

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Actually, I'm OK with being irrelevant. I was thinking about the kinds of actions that are needed, e.g. massive civil disobedience, and although I can still march, not as far as in the old days, and my 'running in the street' days are over. That's my 'swinging.'

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I agree, John!!!💕

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I’m a boomer too. I wish I knew how to go down swinging with all my power and might. I just don’t know what to do. I hate all the lies.

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Lies are everywhere. More than even bacteria

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My 'solution' is to spend what time I have left being kind, helpful, loving and present with all who cross my path. I have found that doing little 'favors' for total strangers actually gives me a feeling of joy. I actually feel a 'lightness' pass through my body, producing an unbidden smile. At 74 with a bunch of health issues, I try to 'pick my battles' more carefully than I used to.

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Cancel culture is simply a reflection of power and who has it.

Facts or the good faith of the accuser have nothing to do with it. The only thing that matters is who has the power to force acceptance of their preferred narrative.

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That’s true. I highly recommend reading the book mentioned in the article. Very enlightening.

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Well spoken Feral and Point ON.

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Yes people like Bill Ackman threatened to pull money from universities if they don’t crack down on protests.makes for a really undemocratic society

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Murray is correct. Instant rejection is cancel culture at work. It begins with the false idea of a blank slate. Genetics was ignored until it could not be. Murray is also mischaracterized badly. Especially by people who never read what he actually said.

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He has been demonized. He is more moderate than people make him out to be. He was not just bent on genetics. He saw a full set of factors that contributed to a child’s development.

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There's something reductionist and almost lazy about cancel culture.

In a social climate where there is so much ambiguity, gaslighting, greenwashing and misinformation, our ability to share ideas with each other and to listen and converse intelligently are essential.

Shouting people down doesn't allow for that at a time when we desperately need to be able to discuss things respectfully.

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No it just makes things way worse. It turns the US into an extremely unintellectual place. Not to mention the damage to the human psyche it inflicts.

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Cancel culture is victim mentality personified. 3 generations and counting

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It’s the Karpman Drama Triangle in action: persecutor, victim, rescuer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle

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Some might also call @CancelCulture a form of cyber gaslighting.

Either way (?),…

It’s all about

Censuring free speech.

MIND YOU:..

Free speech does not come without consequences:

It always HAS and always WILL.

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Free speech has consequence, but censorship has many worse consequences. Whatever criticism one can leverage against the founding fathers, the first amendment was a great achievement.

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I’m so glad about FIRE!! at least we have somebody on our side. I’m going to try to share it as much as possible.

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Yes the are much less known than the ACLU. That’s because FIRE has a narrow scope compared to the ACLU. I heard one of the authors speak recently. I was very impressed. I decided more people needed to hear about them.

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Glad to be a member.

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Thank you, Mike, for making it clear that we are dealing with a dangerous trend on both the left and right

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All my days I wait for the deliverance I truly deserve that will liberate me from my benighted ignorance. I suffer in this endless darkness of unknowing patiently waiting for some grand authority to tell me in which universe do the words cancel and culture intersect, how do they relate to one another, compliment each other, how did they meet and why do they so illicitly conspire without meaning? Is this trumpspeak? Is it the anti-clarity trolls ?

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This has nothing to with Donald Trump. Please look at the book that I reference in the article. It’s very well written by the CEO of FIRE. They have litigated many abuses of freedom of speech.

It astonishes me how so many people have to frame everything as a discussion of Trump or Putin.

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It's a difficult battle when you try and convince college presidents to ignore the threats of Zionist Billionaires! When you're on the phone with a ZioTerrorist who is threatening to cancel $100,000,000 in funding/endowments, it's pretty easy to ignore student protesters in tents outside your office window!

When an AIPAC puppet congressman interrogates a college president on why they haven't stopped anti-Genocide protesters, it sends a powerful message to every college administrator. When those same presidents are subsequently fired and replaced by rabid Zionists, the warning is clear and powerful! It will take very courageous people to stand up to these forces of evil!

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I would like to see Steve Hughes skit today ... a fresh one since this, still pertinent, amazing comedy clip...

I thought you and your readers may enjoy... being offended and is subjective and cannot be made into a law... I am offended by boy bands 😆💁🏻‍♀️💁🏻‍♀️👉https://youtu.be/vbsHox73mRo?si=AArZedPOtPsmM8Iy 👈👈

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That was truly a funny skit. What a great way to wake myself up this morning. Thank you for posting this.

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The “Cancel Culture” described here is just the free market - i.e. individuals choosing what to spend their time and money on and, at most, encouraging (but not forcing) others to follow suit. Nobody is obliged to buy anyone’s content, and part of free speech is being able to criticise the output of others

Whereas when conservatives do Cancel Culture they use levers of state power to forcibly remove offending content and forcibly restrict the liberties of repeat offenders.

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I’m not sure that’s 100% true. Cancel culture is forced on people. For example, college professors getting railroaded for small infractions of orthodoxy.

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Define "railroaded". Does it just mean "disagreed with"?

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Fired…

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Again, free market - if an employee does not abide by their employer's rules, they are more than welcome to seek out different rules at an alternative workspace.

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What about if the rules are vague and can get someone fired because a single student complained?

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Free market x Whataboutery.... has what you described actually happened?

If the rules are vague, the individual should have been more wily before signing the contract, or seek less vague rules elsewhere. Its a dog-eat-dog world, apparently.

Yes, I am being facetious, but the point remains valid.

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Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, how you plan to have us replenish the resources industrial civilization NEEDS to function, and I will happily, joyously embrace your vision of the future.

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We should be aware, that both sides, the cancelled and the canceller, use the same types of propaganda and technology, to convince common people. Hence, both can also switch places. While they are self-serving characters, however politically divided, the real winner is always propaganda, which is only interested in effectiveness and mass impact.

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Yes propaganda is propaganda. No matter who it comes from or how. It’s sometimes enforced with threats of violence, sometimes through a dishonest media and sometimes through verbal bullying attacks like cancel culture

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Hence, it is utmost that common people divest from such propaganda, the institutions which fabricate it and perhaps the entire mainstream media altogether over time. We would as a consequence have more time, peace of mind and energy to think and act autonomously, about what all actually matters to us..

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The term is appropriate as a description of the settler shit that we are meant to digest.

“Cancel culture” is a process to get us to pollute our minds with largely academic propaganda on occupation. One there’s censorship of centuries of genocidal policies, treaty violations, illegal land seizures, violence against children through religions and school, and environmental catastrophes perpetrated by the US settler government against food and water systems, maternity, and rights to land. And two monuments to the likes of Hamilton, Jackson and Charles Murray who perpetrate the 3/5th constitution, displacement, and segregation. As the student just say, I an’t reading that shit; Free Palestine. Topple the monuments.

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You are correct. The government cancels information it doesn’t want us to have as well. In effect, the entire country is canceled from hearing the truth.

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I hope you're a fan of Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn and know about The Twitter Files? If not, check out the YouTube video of Taibbi's testimony in Congress on the government's role in destroying free speech.

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I am a big fan of Matt Taibbi. I have been following the Twitter files for a while. Have you followed Michael Shellenberger? He has also reported on the Twitter files

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Haven't follow Shellenberger, but I've 'bumped into him,' a few times, probably in a Taibbi article.

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